Just installed WLab 9 (B8, the latest build) plus all extensions I use in WL8. Migrated WL8 stuff over.
Noticed a few issues right away (more may follow):
1. WL9 icon is identical to WL8's making them impossible to distinguish. Plz use a different color scheme/ background/ superimpose 9, etc. for the WL9 icon.
2. I have a 2-monitor setup. I prefer the right one but WL9 starts on the non-preferred monitor (left). Also, it starts maximized. I tried moving it to Rt one and re-sizing in the hope it remembers but it *still* opens maximized on Lt, I have to click on the window sizing button on top right to have it go to its preferred location.
I'd reported this issue 2yrs ago when it appeared after an update in WL8 (https://www.wealth-lab.com/Discussion/App-starts-on-non-preferred-monitor-after-upgrade-to-B95-11500) and it was fixed, but has again re-surfaced. Plz fix.
3. Unnecessary items on desktop: I find the Recent Strategies and Social Media icons on the desktop distracting, intrusive and, quite frankly, obnoxious. They're even present in custom Workspaces... they just don't go away! Plz place them in the Baseline Workspace as in WL8, or give users a choice via Preferences to disable them.
4. Missing custom indicators folder: I used to keep indicators I created in MyIndicators folder. 2 issues:
a) MyIndicators folder has disappeared and the indicators have been mixed with all others under the broad Indicators category. How to restore MyIndicators folder and place them there?
b) WL9 often fails to load one or more while starting (before you ask, I have given it Admin privileges just like WL8)... it shows a message. This will likely break some of my strategies. Plz fix.
5. In WL8, the selected tab/item is highlighted in blue, not so in WL9. Will be nice to have it so (or some other nice color).
6. I've seen the following error in log viewer more than once in the very short time I've used WL9:
What does it mean? How to fix??
I'll rest here even though there are more issues to report.
Noticed a few issues right away (more may follow):
1. WL9 icon is identical to WL8's making them impossible to distinguish. Plz use a different color scheme/ background/ superimpose 9, etc. for the WL9 icon.
2. I have a 2-monitor setup. I prefer the right one but WL9 starts on the non-preferred monitor (left). Also, it starts maximized. I tried moving it to Rt one and re-sizing in the hope it remembers but it *still* opens maximized on Lt, I have to click on the window sizing button on top right to have it go to its preferred location.
I'd reported this issue 2yrs ago when it appeared after an update in WL8 (https://www.wealth-lab.com/Discussion/App-starts-on-non-preferred-monitor-after-upgrade-to-B95-11500) and it was fixed, but has again re-surfaced. Plz fix.
3. Unnecessary items on desktop: I find the Recent Strategies and Social Media icons on the desktop distracting, intrusive and, quite frankly, obnoxious. They're even present in custom Workspaces... they just don't go away! Plz place them in the Baseline Workspace as in WL8, or give users a choice via Preferences to disable them.
4. Missing custom indicators folder: I used to keep indicators I created in MyIndicators folder. 2 issues:
a) MyIndicators folder has disappeared and the indicators have been mixed with all others under the broad Indicators category. How to restore MyIndicators folder and place them there?
b) WL9 often fails to load one or more while starting (before you ask, I have given it Admin privileges just like WL8)... it shows a message. This will likely break some of my strategies. Plz fix.
5. In WL8, the selected tab/item is highlighted in blue, not so in WL9. Will be nice to have it so (or some other nice color).
6. I've seen the following error in log viewer more than once in the very short time I've used WL9:
What does it mean? How to fix??
I'll rest here even though there are more issues to report.
Rename
1. The WL8/WL9 icon similarity is noted. We can look at differentiating the WL9 icon more clearly.
2. We'll investigate the window position/state issue. WL9 should remember its last position and state, including on a multi-monitor setup.
3. Recent Strategies and Social Media are intentional parts of the WL9 desktop. That said, I can see the case for allowing them to be hidden, particularly in a custom Workspace, so we'll consider that as an enhancement.
4. My Indicators: WL9 still has a My Indicators folder. However, custom indicators from WL8 need to be migrated individually to WL9. They aren't automatically transferred as part of the WL9 installation. If a particular indicator fails when you migrate it, please post that indicator and the error you're receiving so we can look at the specific problem.
5. The selected-tab appearance is part of the WL9 UI/theme changes. We'll consider making the active tab more visually distinct.
6. The Log Viewer message indicates that WL9's MCP server couldn't bind to its local port because the address/port was already in use. Possible causes include another WL9 instance still running, another application using the same port, or a previous process that hasn't completely terminated and released the port, or maybe a firewall issue.
The MCP server is only used to allow external AI clients such as Claude to communicate with WealthLab through MCP. Failure to start it has no impact on Strategies, backtesting, trading, data, or normal WealthLab operation. If you're not using an external MCP connection, you can simply ignore the message. If you are using MCP, we'd need to determine which process currently owns the port.
For any additional issues, please report them individually with enough information to reproduce them. In particular, screenshots of an error by themselves aren't always sufficient; the steps that led to the error, relevant settings, and associated Log Viewer details make it much easier for us to investigate.
2. We'll investigate the window position/state issue. WL9 should remember its last position and state, including on a multi-monitor setup.
3. Recent Strategies and Social Media are intentional parts of the WL9 desktop. That said, I can see the case for allowing them to be hidden, particularly in a custom Workspace, so we'll consider that as an enhancement.
4. My Indicators: WL9 still has a My Indicators folder. However, custom indicators from WL8 need to be migrated individually to WL9. They aren't automatically transferred as part of the WL9 installation. If a particular indicator fails when you migrate it, please post that indicator and the error you're receiving so we can look at the specific problem.
5. The selected-tab appearance is part of the WL9 UI/theme changes. We'll consider making the active tab more visually distinct.
6. The Log Viewer message indicates that WL9's MCP server couldn't bind to its local port because the address/port was already in use. Possible causes include another WL9 instance still running, another application using the same port, or a previous process that hasn't completely terminated and released the port, or maybe a firewall issue.
The MCP server is only used to allow external AI clients such as Claude to communicate with WealthLab through MCP. Failure to start it has no impact on Strategies, backtesting, trading, data, or normal WealthLab operation. If you're not using an external MCP connection, you can simply ignore the message. If you are using MCP, we'd need to determine which process currently owns the port.
For any additional issues, please report them individually with enough information to reproduce them. In particular, screenshots of an error by themselves aren't always sufficient; the steps that led to the error, relevant settings, and associated Log Viewer details make it much easier for us to investigate.
Thanks, looking forward to the fixes/enhancements.
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Plz detail the steps. Also, will I have to *first* delete them from the "Indicators' folder/tab in WL9 in order to avoid conflicts?
5. Maybe you can make tab highlight theme-dependent e.g. the current subtle gray highlight perhaps works well with Light theme but is almost invisible with the Dark theme.
6. I'm not using the MCP server. The only explanation I can think of is that WL9 froze multiple times when I was testing my custom workspaces (the migration to WL9 was not trouble-free e.g. simple charts didn't migrate... I'm working on each workspace by recreating/saving, it's painstaking) and I had to close it down & restart. IF that's the case, perhaps WL9 should flush-out such settings so they don't carry over to the next session.
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custom indicators from WL8 need to be migrated individually to WL9
Plz detail the steps. Also, will I have to *first* delete them from the "Indicators' folder/tab in WL9 in order to avoid conflicts?
5. Maybe you can make tab highlight theme-dependent e.g. the current subtle gray highlight perhaps works well with Light theme but is almost invisible with the Dark theme.
6. I'm not using the MCP server. The only explanation I can think of is that WL9 froze multiple times when I was testing my custom workspaces (the migration to WL9 was not trouble-free e.g. simple charts didn't migrate... I'm working on each workspace by recreating/saving, it's painstaking) and I had to close it down & restart. IF that's the case, perhaps WL9 should flush-out such settings so they don't carry over to the next session.
A couple more points:
7. ScottPlot: Not included in WL9. All my strategies using SP were broken. Fortunately, copying the dll from WL8 to WL9 resolved the issue. Thought you'd like to know.
8. Markdown whiteout: While the version of md included in WL9 is the same as WL8, it's behavior is a bit different - it's creating whiteout of text in selected areas when using the Dark theme, as in this screenshot of the Help file:
It's also affecting Strategy descriptions.
I'd mentioned this 18 months ago here: https://www.wealth-lab.com/Discussion/Folder-Name-Whiteout-in-B114-12281#post2. It was fixed but has resurfaced. Plz fix.
And for some good news:
4. My Indicators folder has magically appeared and all my custom indicators were auto-placed inside it - yay! I was dreading having to re-create each indicator (shudder).
7. ScottPlot: Not included in WL9. All my strategies using SP were broken. Fortunately, copying the dll from WL8 to WL9 resolved the issue. Thought you'd like to know.
8. Markdown whiteout: While the version of md included in WL9 is the same as WL8, it's behavior is a bit different - it's creating whiteout of text in selected areas when using the Dark theme, as in this screenshot of the Help file:
It's also affecting Strategy descriptions.
I'd mentioned this 18 months ago here: https://www.wealth-lab.com/Discussion/Folder-Name-Whiteout-in-B114-12281#post2. It was fixed but has resurfaced. Plz fix.
And for some good news:
4. My Indicators folder has magically appeared and all my custom indicators were auto-placed inside it - yay! I was dreading having to re-create each indicator (shudder).
Thenks for pointing out the theming issue with the table headers, we have it fixed! If you notice any other theming problems let us know.
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#5 is also theme-related. I'll keep an eye out for others.
On a side note, when using the Ultra Dark theme, when you click on a column the up/down arrows are virtually invisible as they're black, you may want to fix that, too. Issue is present in WL8 also (I never created a ticket for it... if you're fixing theming issues you might as well fix that, too).
#5 is also theme-related. I'll keep an eye out for others.
On a side note, when using the Ultra Dark theme, when you click on a column the up/down arrows are virtually invisible as they're black, you may want to fix that, too. Issue is present in WL8 also (I never created a ticket for it... if you're fixing theming issues you might as well fix that, too).
I have the sort arrows theme-aware now, so they will appear as light triangles in the dark themes. We also have the unselected tabs a lighter color now in the dark themes so the selected tab stands out much more clearly.
Updated to WL9b9. This is what I noticed:
#8 (text whiteout): fixed.
#5 (theme-aware coloring): only partially fixed -> the sort arrows now have good contrast in both Dark and Ultra Dark themes. Can you please port this over to WL8 also? TIA.
Thx for these.
As for the rest (#s 1,2,3), including #5 (color/contrast of tabs) - do you have an ETA for these?
#8 (text whiteout): fixed.
#5 (theme-aware coloring): only partially fixed -> the sort arrows now have good contrast in both Dark and Ultra Dark themes. Can you please port this over to WL8 also? TIA.
Thx for these.
As for the rest (#s 1,2,3), including #5 (color/contrast of tabs) - do you have an ETA for these?
In the latest build, de-delected tabs in dark mode now appear faded, and the text also has a reduced opacity. This makes the selected tab stand out more. Did you notice this change? We don't have an ETA for the other items you mentioned.
The Strategies tab is selected in both. The difference is night and day.
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#2: The code already exits in WL8, you just have to copy it over (as also for #5, above).
Those are toolbar buttons and we were talking about tabs. We removed the three DataSets/Indicators/Strategies state-aware toolbar buttons that were in WL8 from WL9. Instead we added a button we felt was more important and less redundant, name Accounts. Since there was still some room in the toolbar, in Build 9 we re-introduced a (non-state aware) Strategies button a little farther left in the toolbar than the original WL8 design.
I'd meant the toolbar buttons, my bad. Personally, I found the coloring useful.
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#3: Unnecessary items on desktop: Some other thoughts came to mind; to summarize:
- eliminate them except from inside Baseline workspace (WL8 behavior)
- eliminate from custom workspaces, including when the Baseline workspace is closed
- user-selectable choice under Preferences to disable them everywhere
- if it's your strong desire to keep them, perhaps after an interval (?15 secs, ?30 secs) they can dim significantly or, even better, they auto-hide/rollup and a click can make them full-sized again (and the countdown timer starts again) - this should satisfy your desire to keep them yet make them non-obtrusive
- (added later) Put them on the toolbar (there's plenty of space) - always visible yet out of the way
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#3: Unnecessary items on desktop: Some other thoughts came to mind; to summarize:
- eliminate them except from inside Baseline workspace (WL8 behavior)
- eliminate from custom workspaces, including when the Baseline workspace is closed
- user-selectable choice under Preferences to disable them everywhere
- if it's your strong desire to keep them, perhaps after an interval (?15 secs, ?30 secs) they can dim significantly or, even better, they auto-hide/rollup and a click can make them full-sized again (and the countdown timer starts again) - this should satisfy your desire to keep them yet make them non-obtrusive
- (added later) Put them on the toolbar (there's plenty of space) - always visible yet out of the way
Starting in Build 10 WL9 will properly restore to multi-monitor, even when maximized, correct non-maximized size will be respected, and if the other monitor is no longer available should still restore to a valid monitor location.
Can't wait
Thx for fixing the multi-monitor issue in WL9B10 !!
Hopefully, you'll tackle #3 soon, see Post #12 for a number of suggested solutions.
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A couple of observations:
a) It'll be nice to have the entire release note blog, alongwith release dates, shown in the Baseline workspace - just like in WL8. It's useful to review periodically.
b) Metrics History Visualizer: Released in B10 for Str. Rankings tool... will be super useful in individual strategies as well.
On a side note, the tooltip box for 'No Parallel Processing' in Str. Rankings tool is empty.
Hopefully, you'll tackle #3 soon, see Post #12 for a number of suggested solutions.
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A couple of observations:
a) It'll be nice to have the entire release note blog, alongwith release dates, shown in the Baseline workspace - just like in WL8. It's useful to review periodically.
b) Metrics History Visualizer: Released in B10 for Str. Rankings tool... will be super useful in individual strategies as well.
On a side note, the tooltip box for 'No Parallel Processing' in Str. Rankings tool is empty.
a) I think we'll add an option to the View menu to hide those items.
b) Oh, we set the tooltip to a blank string if there are no reasons to prohibit parallel processing. Otherwise the tooltip explains the reasons. I'll need to change it to null instead of a blank string.
b) Oh, we set the tooltip to a blank string if there are no reasons to prohibit parallel processing. Otherwise the tooltip explains the reasons. I'll need to change it to null instead of a blank string.
And regarding putting Metric History in the main Strategy window, running a series of rolling window backtests was something DrKoch was hoping we'd introduce directly into WL9. It's a major overhaul and would require changes to many of the Visualizers to support it properly. It would be valuable for sure and is still on the to-do list for the future.
👍👍
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(Off-topic)
Strategy Rankings tool: Currently, Strategy Rankings and Symbol Rankings share the Symbol/DataSet dropdown selection so the choice gets applied to both. It would be very useful to each have independent choice. Reason: Say you run the Symbol Rankings against a dataset and find some promising symbols but you want to check them against other strategies so you switch to the Strategy Rankings tab. The moment you change from Dataset to Symbol input the results in Symbol Rankings you just ran get wiped out (you find this out when you switch to that tab to check for more symbols); if the 2 tabs had independent choice, the Symbol Rankings will retain its results from the Dataset mode even as you keep checking individual symbols in the Strategy Rankings tab using Symbol mode.
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(Off-topic)
Strategy Rankings tool: Currently, Strategy Rankings and Symbol Rankings share the Symbol/DataSet dropdown selection so the choice gets applied to both. It would be very useful to each have independent choice. Reason: Say you run the Symbol Rankings against a dataset and find some promising symbols but you want to check them against other strategies so you switch to the Strategy Rankings tab. The moment you change from Dataset to Symbol input the results in Symbol Rankings you just ran get wiped out (you find this out when you switch to that tab to check for more symbols); if the 2 tabs had independent choice, the Symbol Rankings will retain its results from the Dataset mode even as you keep checking individual symbols in the Strategy Rankings tab using Symbol mode.
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